If you check out the people behind the television campaign “Be Veg! Go Green! Save Our Planet!” you will find that hey are from a well-funded Taiwanese sect run by “Supreme Master Ching Hai” who says she speaks to Martians. From one of her many blogs: “Through both her inner knowledge and telepathic communication with the Mars people, Supreme Master Ching Hai has on several occasions spoken of Mars’ past – how the planet is still recovering since global warming like that now being faced on Earth led to a mass extinction 40 million years ago.”
This information should be used to discredit the Meat = Methane argument.
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Personal attacks and smear campaigns are always an indication of lack of credible arguments.
It seems such a shame that your emotively aggressive response to the more new age side of this lady's body of commentary has blinded you to the fact that as far as the climate change argument goes her organisation supports the payment of farmers for soil carbon storage.
While you may not like the idea that meat and animal product production is a genuine climate threat to a stable climate, bringing attention to and publicly disparaging someone who supports the very thing you are trying to achieve seems like a somewhat short sighted strategy.
The vast majority of scientists believe we are at the very brink of dangerous run away climate change - a situation that would force every farmer to the brink of disaster, with rapidly destabilized weather patterns and increasing extreme weather events. One of the simplest and cheapest ways to prevent this is to cut the anthropogenic emission of methane as fast as possible and BEGIN DRAWING DOWN AS MUCH CARBON FROM THE ATMOSPHERE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
Because of this the support of governments paying farmers to improve soil carbon storage through real carbon pricing, revolutionising the maintenance of healthy agricultural soils and supporting the diversifying of farming practices into a broader range of plant based and financialy resilient setups is actually something this group acitvely promotes.
Calling any group a 'cult' is easy, but the reality of actions speak far louder than mere name calling. The generous work conducted all over the world by members of this organisation, including in flood and fire devestated regions of Australia, says more about the genuine dedication to humainty's wellbeing and future potential than any misguided efforts at personal smearing might achieve.
>farmgirl
I don't quite understand what's the deal with this climate change. There has been tens if not hundreds of climate changes way way before this one and suddenly only this one is supposed to have huge impacts on humanity. What about the Little Ice Age in 1650, 1770 and 1850? Nobody really cared about it back then and yet here we are, undamaged and totally fine. The life on Earth did not end. So calling any group a cult is kind of right here. Blindly believing in something that some "important men in lab coats" said seems like a "cult" to me.
Take care, Elli
This IS a cult. And here's just a little of what REALLY goes on behind all that razzmatazz.
Here's a blog of a (former?)member of ching hai's cult who was involved with their supreme master television station.
The whole letter is pasted here for future browsing in case that link "disappears" in the future.
Hope this is of interest to some on this forum.
The link: forum.rickross.com/read.php?5,65333...
The Letter.
"This was a letter that I wrote to her, but I am not sure where to email it to. Since the master doesn�t have an accessible email account for the general public or her initiates to use to contact her. Oh wait, we have the direct contact! Contacting Supreme Master ching hai! Your members in SMTV are conducting fraud on every possible level!
To Supreme Master Ching Hai, et al.
I have put off writing this letter to you and foreign group for some time believing that I was the sole case of marriage fraud. However, I have learned that more than once SMTV, the broadcasting station that purposively promotes positive work, are also practicing shady methods to retain foreign workers here in the United States. I know two others, other than myself who were contacted and brought over for that. A close friend and another who was asked to have a divorce so that both could have marriage fraud to get people from foreign countries to stay in America to work here, is what I have just said. FRAUD.
Curiosity piqued, I went online and did an online search and found that there were others who fell for the �calling.� SMTV contacted us first informing us of doing simple jobs, but when we arrived there it was for marriage.
I will only elaborate on my experience, as it is mine that I can discuss. I was first contacted on November 17th 2007, for inquiries on work Visas. At first I thought it was akin to just a contact for working in the United States. Thinking that was all, I later received another email whether or not I could come to LA to work. I was only informed to bring my camera and nice clothing. The date would have been on December 9th 2007. With such short notice, I took off from work without pay in order to go to Los Angeles thinking that I would be able to work for SMTV.
My initial contact details: �hi (keeping my name out),
Can you come to LA next Friday or Wednesday? Better to come before thanksgiving otherwise it will be crowded. If you can, you will need a suit and 10 different shirts (nice ones). And bring your digital camera.�
I left to work at SMTV with the belief that I was being told the honest truth and would be photographing things for SMTV.
The story changed when I got there. I was not told who to expect or when I would be picked up till the driver got there. When the driver picked me up, I was informed of what I would really be doing. Getting married to a girl from Australia so she could stay here to work permanently for SMTV. I am pretty sure the premise of this faith and SMTV was positive work and honesty. How can that be when SMTV has tried to commit marriage fraud, and continues to do so?
You can only imagine the emotions I went through during that day. I went from being impatient to confused to furiously angry to emotionally distraught. To be told that I would be marrying someone who I didn�t know, loved, or even seen at all, instead of what was initially informed me what I would be doing is deceitful and betrayal. I immediately booked a car rental to go down to San Diego to my parents� friends to stay for the week, as that was how long I would be in California.
I still have the emails from the beginning and ending, emails pleading with me not to send this to Foreign group or to Master. I thought to myself, that this was only once. Sad and disastrous as it was, maybe they changed after I sent them a promo letter to them of what I would be sending to you. After that email, I received an email lecturing me that I should not have worried about getting the marriage and that sort. And I decided to take a forlorn break from the practice, which I still am on.
The response to the letter that would have been sent: �Please make sure that you or anyone else does not send any letter of that sort to foreign group. This is extremely grave. You MUST make sure that (anonymous) keeps his cool and anyone else who wants to challenge or follow that route. Please do do do remind. DO NOT SEND THAT LETTER!!!!! You bear a tremendous weight if you do! And if anyone else tries to do so, they bear an extraordinary weight. Please have respect for the people here, and those who serve God. NO EGO! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE REMIND!!! DO NOT SEND!!!!! EXTREMELY GRAVE!!!!! MAKE SURE ERIC DOESN�T BLOW a CAP!!!! NO LETTER TO FOREIGN GROUP!!!!! Otherwise DEADMEAT and worse!!! CONTACT (anonymous)!!!!!!!!! HE MUST BE AWARE!!!!!!�
I didn�t want SMTV to be blown off kilter, because at the time I believed that I was the only one and I still believed in the general premise of SMTV. So I decided that, might have shook them up. I was na�ve.
Until two days ago of present, I thought that my debacle was the only event. But a close friend of mine went through the same ordeal and another friend was asked persistently to get a divorce from his marriage so that he and his wife could marry foreigners to stay here to work permanently. And then I found this online from countless sites that had topics on Marriage fraud. I took it with some grain of salt, however, it displays that this has been going on for some time. Which makes me wonder if you, Master or Foreign group, knows exactly what goes on with your heavily promoted supreme master television.
Many similar marriage fraud occurred within the SupremeMasterTV.com organization whose address is at 1431 N. Potrero ave, El monte, Ca 91733. SupremeMasterTV.com is an internet base and satellite television program claimed to show positive news especially advocate of prevent global warming. SupremeMasterTV.com (SMTV.com ) is an non-profit operation headed by the Supreme Master Ching Hai who also has a company called The Supreme Master Ching Hai International Association. Many fraudulent marriage committed by volunteers of SMTV.com to keep the foreign volunteers to work for SMTV.com and also for One World Restaurant in West Covina (illegal alien work here). This Russian girl�s case is a good example but SMTV.com volunteers-crimers believe that they won�t get caught because Supreme Master Ching Hai has the magic power to protect them. Probably USCIS need to catch more cases like this to stop people from committing marriage fraud.
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Around topics on the discussion of marriage fraud, posts and discussions of this is highly prevalent. Although those are not from accredited journalists, they are from users who know or have experienced marriage fraud conducted by yours truly, Supreme Master Television.
Then there is the mentality of your members there that is also in question. How do you really promote good will, when your workers there consider anyone who does not work for SMTV as trash or in such disdain? How do you pertain positive change when your workers are informing those that may have second thoughts that those that did leave have suddenly died? I acknowledge that workers that left suddenly die as exaggeration, but that is fear tactics. So SMTV not only conducts marriage fraud to get workers to stay, but reinforces it with fear tactics?
The conducts of your workers at SMTV are disdainful and deleterious and should be examined by yourself or foreign group, let alone the US authorities. This kind of conduct generates much question to yours and your affiliates� judgment and activity and I am hoping that there is resolution to this.
Whether this being resolved or not, is paramount to your organization because if left unresolved it opens up a Pandora�s box of troubles. Not only to you, but also mainly to the victims, such as myself, who see no justice being done to rectify this horrendous deed. The authorities already investigate marriage fraud on a countless basis.
Yours truly,"
More emerging info on the crazy cult of ching hai here:
ramsss.com/ching-hai/
uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/Exchingha...
Hi,
Is this the same ching hai we are talking about here?
This is from The Independent Newspaper Website.
“A mystery in Miami as sect leader and an instant island disappear.
By David Usborne in Miami
Sunday, 28 March 2004
The rangers at the Biscayne Bay National Park in South Florida know an environmental violation when they see one. But when a tip-off last year led them to a site inside the narrow mangrove forest that fringes the ocean about 15 miles south of Miami, they were as perplexed as they were angry.
The rangers at the Biscayne Bay National Park in South Florida know an environmental violation when they see one. But when a tip-off last year led them to a site inside the narrow mangrove forest that fringes the ocean about 15 miles south of Miami, they were as perplexed as they were angry.
Several months later - and just as they started last week to clear up the mess - the mystery of this illegal encroachment on park territory is as deep as ever. What were these people thinking? And what exactly - if they had ever been able to complete it - would this eccentric little hideaway have been used for?
The answers, like something from a Carl Hiaasen novel, appear to stretch far beyond what the Park Service is normally used to dealing with. This, as it turns out, was the work of a worldwide religious sect known as the Suma Ching Hai International Association, which teaches a form of meditation, inspired by Christianity and Buddhism, called quan yin.
Three motorised caravans were parked just inside the boundaries of the park on the edge of the mangroves, all encased in pristine wooden decking. On the deck’s edge was a 50ft aviary. From there, a path had been hacked through the mangroves to the sea and a wooden boardwalk built through it.
That was not the end of it, however. The 350ft boardwalk, finished with a wood and glass balustrade, culminated in a causeway across the water to a tiny man-made island, about 50ft across, made of large boulders of limestone set upon the ocean bed and sea grass.
The good news for the national park authorities is that they are free now to dismantle everything. Within a day of the compound being discovered, workers - who were still pushing boulders down the boardwalk in wheelbarrows to make the island bigger - abruptly vanished. An area of private property outside the park, but linked to the compound, has been seized by the Miami-Dade County Police and sold, at a steep discount, to the local community of Palmetto Bay, which plans to turn it into a park.
By Friday, all that was left of the strange project was the island itself - leaving a film of white on the water with each ebb and flow of the tide - and the aviary.
In just two days last week, a team of 30 park rangers had ripped up the decking and the boardwalk and were busy planting new mangrove saplings in the wound where the boardwalk had led. A barge will arrive soon to remove the island itself.
But who should be paying the roughly $1m (£550,000) bill for all this restoration? That, according to police sources, would be a woman who owned the adjacent property, after buying it in 2002 for $750,000 (£400,000). She goes by the name - in Florida, at least - of Celestia De Lamour.
It was her minions, as far as anyone can tell, who began building the complex in the mangroves, and the island, for her pleasure.
To the great frustration of the Park Service, there is no finding Ms De Lamour, who is none other than the Supreme Master of the Suma Ching Hai. Based in Taiwan, the movement boasts two million members in 50 countries, including Britain, and has several websites, most notably www.godsdirectcontact.org. It also advocates vegetarianism and has a string of vegetarian restaurants. “The police can’t locate her,” reports Charles Scurr, who is village manager for Palmetto Bay. “She seems to be everywhere, but nowhere”. According to records, she owned two luxury homes in the Miami area. Both are now empty.
Mr Scurr, who oversaw the purchase of the De Lamour property on behalf of Palmetto Bay for $300,000, had hopes of persuading the Park Service to preserve the boardwalk, causeway and island and turn the area into an educational park for visitors. He was shocked when we arrived last week to find the park rangers tearing everything up. For the chief biologist of Biscayne Bay National Park, Rick Clark, however, there was never any question about the need to undo the environmental crime. “We have an obligation to try to restore the area to its original condition,” he said, picking his way carefully along what used to be boardwalk, trying not to disturb the new saplings.
He is still shocked by what happened, without anyone from the Park Service even noticing. This is the longest strip of coastal mangrove growth still surviving in South Florida. “It really is all that remains of old South Florida,” he explains. “In my 19 years with the National Park I have never come across an encroachment of this magnitude. It is still amazing to me.”
One should really wonder what her real agenda is when it comes to saving the planet.
Thanks,
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